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I read something, either here or on eplaya, about an email that was sent about a month before BM. The gist of it was that due to the increased number of participants, it may not be possible for DMV to license all the arts cars arriving on playa. I am curious to know whether this is true and whether anyone here was affected by this.
I am about to shop around in earnest for a suitable chassis for an art car project for BM08, but the possibility of spending a year working on it and discovering once I get there that I can't get it licensed, is a huge concern. So I'm very curious to know whether there was any truth to this rumor.
I am about to shop around in earnest for a suitable chassis for an art car project for BM08, but the possibility of spending a year working on it and discovering once I get there that I can't get it licensed, is a huge concern. So I'm very curious to know whether there was any truth to this rumor.
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Re: not enough art car licenses to go around?
Thu, September 20, 2007 - 9:42 AMI believe they had over 1,400 pre-registrations. My understanding is that they only licensed about 800 Mutant vehicles at the event. So they were limiting it. I was given a Day license without any problems, but gave me a conditional night license, that I would do better lighting next year. Basically they were saying that I wouldn't get a license next year unless I did a better lighting job. I was also told that because of the large number of people doing Mutant vehicles that they raise the bar every year of what they will register. So they want them to be better every year. -
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 4:59 PMSo, can I infer from this that there were 600 mutant vehicles that never got registered? Or does DMV assume from past experience that not everyone who pre-registers will actually show up with a completed art car? I can't really wrap my brain around why they would accept way more pre-registrations than they actually intend to grant licenses for. It doesn't seem like it serves anyone's interests to have people showing up with art cars they can't register through DMV. If they want to raise the bar, I would think the way do to that would be to make the pre-registration process more stringent.
So that's my first area of concern. My second question has to do with what you did for radical illimumination this year, and what specific feedback they gave you to make your lighting "better" for next year.
BM08 will be my my first attempt at an art car. It's probably going to be based on a Taylor Dunn utility cart platform, and I'm going to be sinking a lot of time, love, and $$$ into this thing, and I want to maxumize my likelihood of getting the thing licensed. Otherwise, what can I do with it? Leave it parked on the Esplanade?
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Re: not enough art car licenses to go around?
Thu, September 20, 2007 - 6:16 PMThe announcement was really last minute. I don't think they realized that the number of applications they had would be a problem until after all the acceptance letters were sent out. There have been a few anectdotal reports of people being denied licenses on Eplaya. The best defence against all of this is to make sure your car is really friggin cool. "But there was a worse car registered last year" is not going to work. If you're unsure about whether your idea and implementation are good enough, post here and send emails to dmv@burningman.com .
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Thu, September 20, 2007 - 5:00 PMMake a cup cake art car next year. They love those. -
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Tue, October 23, 2007 - 12:09 PMLOL!!!!
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Re: not enough art car licenses to go around?
Thu, September 20, 2007 - 6:24 PMIn '07 the BM DMV had some 1400 pre-approval applications of which about half got the go-ahead to bring their vehicles to the playa. Of the 800 or so who actually did I believe about 600 of them received on-site permits (some combination of day and night).
The problem is that there are too many people who want to bring vehicles and not enough space for them all to safely operate (so we are to understand, anyway). One of the things the BM DMV is trying to do is get rid of "art cars" (ordinary cars with shit glued on, for example) in favor of "mutant vehicles" (which, ideally, don't look like cars at all). A good metric is that if you can't tell what kind of base vehicle your mutant vehicle is built on you're moving in the right direction.
I also suspect that they prefer vehicles that can take passengers rather than two-seaters because they have more of a participatory nature.
Last year I built, brought and piloted my Interstellar Pleasure Barge: interstellarpleasurebarge.jarrin.net/
If you want to know more about my experiences send me a msg here.
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Fri, September 21, 2007 - 9:32 AMIt's not just an art car, it needs to be Radically Altered, Mutant. You shouldn't be able to tell what the beginning structure was.
If you go through all the registration proceedings, getting licensed on the Playa is easier. It does not guarantee you'll get licensed (but you get a better reception from the Hotties).
There are always unregistered vehicles driving around on the playa, there were plenty of police giving out $150 tickets this year for that.
Who decided that we needed a Police force to enforce our own rules?
The Blacklight Mushroom Scooter, made it to Burningman. Like many of us artists, you never know whether or not you're going to make it to burningman, let alone whether or not you can afford to drive there with your kitchen sink with you too. So, the scooter got there, drove to the DMV, which closed at 9:30, and couldn't get his license. Later, the cops pulled him over, because they couldn't see his sticker... Made him STRIP off his Costume and do a sobriety test, then and there. Then gave him a ticket.
I'm considering getting corporate sponsorship, radically altering a vehicle into say a can of Coke and gift cokes on the playa. It the Patriotic Way, isn't it?
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Fri, September 21, 2007 - 11:59 AMOK, the Black Light Mushroom Scooter was awesome...but it sounds like he didn't play the game. He went to the DMV when it was closed? If he had followed the simple and very clear instructions from the DMV he would have gotten both a day and night license without any problems and avoided that ticket. I did see that out at the temple burn so did he eventually get a license?
I just want to be clear that I think tighter restrictions at the DMV are a good thing. (F the police!). Burning Man is a pedestrian city first. I think un-modified scooters should be banned as well. I like what someone said above (or below) that they should be more strict before you get to the playa. But I also think it has to do with people not making what they submit in their drawings.
The DMV is always looking for more hotties if we don't like the way it's being run...
As far as the lighting is concerned, it was my impression that they were concerned with safety as much as looking good. Being lit up and highly visible from all sides was important to the hottie that checked out my vehicle. Trailer connection points need to be very well lit as well. Sometimes people think its two vehicles and try to ride or walk between them. Probably when parked more than when driving.
I would look at the mobile art pictures from this year on
images.burningman.com/
to get an idea of what passed this year. I really don't think if you follow the guidelines and have a vehicle that you can't tell what the base is and is well lit at night that you will be denied a license. They are just trying to continually raise the bar as more and more people decide to make mutant vehicles. -
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Re: not enough art car licenses to go around?
Sat, September 22, 2007 - 10:09 AMI agree, raise the bar!
The Mushroom scooter got licensed the next day with no problem.
Scooters of no artistic value should be banned! Burn night we had some Yahoo riding around on his little motorcycle-total disrespect for the event and what we stand for.
In the past, it was a rule that if you had an art car, you always gave someone a lift. There were half a dozen this year that wouldn't let us on, even to appreciate their work. That was bothersome.
Driving a car around the Playa was not very Green anyway, the bar should have been raised on that alone. -
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Sat, September 22, 2007 - 8:26 PMThanks for the clarifications. I have been playing fast and losse with my terminology, using "art car" and "mutant vehicle" interchangeably, which is part of the problem. The thing that I am building for next year definitely falls in the "mutant vehicle" category. And I will be happy to give anyone a lift. That's kind of the point, if you ask me. -
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Re: not enough art car licenses to go around?
Sun, September 23, 2007 - 10:27 PMIt seems half of the deaths at burningman are vehicle related (still not a bad rate per capita).
Some people are not able to create a safe and radically altered car no matter how much time they have, or just don't leave themselves enough time.
During pre-registration, DMV can't tell which category your project falls into unless they have seen your vehicle or work before, and it stood out well enough at the time that the hottie remembers, so a certain number of vehicles will fail tech inspection.
This is true at pretty much any automotive event with a tech certification system.
I would suggest that if you want to be sure of receiving an operating permit, get a dedicated crew to work with you, and be sure the end result stands out and is not too dangerous to others. Also put on a ton of lights if you want to drive at night. Do this, and you won't fail. -
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Sun, September 23, 2007 - 10:42 PMAgreed... the un modified scooters should be banded....
I saw a guy riding around on this noisey peice of shit motorcycle....
no lights... nothing....
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Re: not enough art car licenses to go around?
Wed, October 24, 2007 - 1:20 AMMake your vehicle human powered, and batteries for the lights.
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 3:05 PMWHO GIVES A FUCK!
We are gving the Dub Rocket away after BM 2007. We have decided after this year's BM fiasco that we have better places to spend our money and time. We can do more with our time, energy, and money to support local charities and others in need rather than putting more money into BMORG coffers.
FUCK LARRY, THE AIR HE BREATHS, AND THE HORSE HE ROAD IN ON
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 5:31 PM47,000 people attended in 2007 and the DMV registered roughly 500 Mutant Vehicles to operate. Less than 400 static pieces of art were displayed on the open playa.
As cities evolve, so does transportation. Unlike most cities,Black Rock City’s survival depends on participants rejecting the prevailing car culture of the default world and embracing alternative transportation. Public safety concerns are reason enough for Burning Man to be a pedestrian/bicycle city. When the event first moved out to the playa in 1990, there were no rules about vehicles. By 1996,with still only 8,000 participants, the dust problems and hazards of casual and recreational driving had become extreme. In 1997, casual driving was designed out of Black Rock City transportation. 1997 was critical in the evolution of the event not only because it was “the first year that you could bike around without worrying about getting hit by a car, ”but also because it was then that bike culture truly emerged.
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 11:21 PM<I am about to shop around in earnest for a suitable chassis for an art car project for BM08, but the possibility of spending a year working on it and discovering once I get there that I can't get it licensed, is a huge concern. So I'm very curious to know whether there was any truth to this rumor.>
You must get invited to bring your mutant to the playa.
In order to get invited you must....
draw, print, describe, to the best of your ability , what the vehicle will look like, how it will interact with others, it's safety features (including fire extinguishers), and how it is participatory. Not just a freakin' golf cart with GI Joes glued to it.. Interaction, giving to the community, the WOW factor is a biggie I've found. My Playa Surfer I would only carry one other person but was so freakin' unique that it got approved. Twice.
Id pass your drawings by some friends and others to get a subjective appraisal, then get your application submitted so that you don't waste your valuable time and $$$ building something that may not get approved. DMV might say your idea sucks... Who knows? Do a write up first and find out. You've got time.
Best of luck. ;-)
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Re: not enough art car licenses to go around?
Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:22 PM
Many folks planning to make the sojourn to Black Rock are asking lots of questions and seeking clarification around the myriad issues that make coming to the event both challenging and rewarding. One of the most repeated requests for clarification has to do with issues related to mutant vehicles and the current policies regarding registration and approval of them.
In response to the growing number of safety problems of vehicles being operated in an unsafe manner during the event and the complaints generated as a result, the driving regulations are strictly enforced. Note that these regulations do not reflect a mandate imposed by LEOs (law enforcement organizations). Nor do they represent collaboration with LEOs by the Black Rock Rangers. The decision to place a greater emphasis on long standing regulations is in response to the innumerable complaints expressed by participants both during the event as well as input submitted throughout the year around issues of safety. We're appealing to a higher instinct here folks. Simply put the rules for driving on the playa have not changed. The amount of emphasis being placed on those regulations has. It is about taking responsibility for ourselves when we need to.
In their purest form mutant vehicles serve as a form of mobile interaction with a great number of participants and contribute dramatically to the surreal experience which many of us experience each year during the event. They are "A thread that binds Black Rock City together. They are 'visual sculpture on wheels': radically, stunningly beautiful... and are core to the culture and community of Burning Man."
Click on "Next" in the album linked below to learn more about the DMV and Mutant Vehicles:
tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/phot...2e725f39ed